With Zootopia 2 and Avatar: Fire and Ash releasing later this year, 2025 is going to be the first year when none of the MCU make it up to top 10 Highest grossing movies.
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rubyschnees2025-10-01 15:19
posts like this continuing to be super fucking obnoxious
Mickeyjj272025-10-01 15:48
I don’t know if fans want quality or care more about box office these days. But then again, a movie can be reviewed well and fans will still act like the movie was terrible
ubutterscotchpine2025-10-01 16:01
This is so true. And movies that are actually okay are review bombed before they’re out. There’s no winning. Except if you’re Disney. I don’t think they gave a crap about Marvel box office this year when Avatar is dropping. They’ll make plenty of money.
Caciulacdlac2025-10-01 16:07
"But quality comes hand in hand with box office success"
Well if you look at the image, it clearly doesn't.
Mickeyjj272025-10-01 16:44
We’ve known that forever. It’s why both recent Mad Max movies made less than a single terrible Minecraft movie. Why Jurassic World Rebirth earned more than FF and Superman. When I go see a movie I just wanna have a good time. Only time I cared about boxoffice was years later with John Carter
CaptHayfever2025-10-01 18:35
OP's a 9-month-old account with a hidden activity history, so posts like this continuing to be super *suspicious* too.
Prestigious_Half_3292025-10-01 19:08
What I did was to share an opinion related to Marvel studios, I didn't insult anyone or anything, what's this super triggered reaction about?
As for shady, it is my right to privacy to reveal how much I want
CaptHayfever2025-10-01 19:16
> this super triggered reaction
Interesting phrasing.
2MinuteSamurai2025-10-01 20:49
I’m with OP on this. All he did was post some fun fact which I actually did find interesting. If you don’t care then don’t engage with it, it’s meant to open up discussion not hostility. Accusing him of being “suspicious” with no context and then giving a non-response like this when confronted is just weird too.
CaptHayfever2025-10-01 21:31
There's a pattern of similar posts we have here frequently, that just as frequently turn into a venue for brigading.
2MinuteSamurai2025-10-01 21:45
I see. I’m not on here much so I wouldn’t be privy to repeated posts
Prestigious_Half_3292025-10-01 21:54
This is literally first post here on such topic, because I noticed the stuff today while surfing through wiki today. May be u need to stop seeing everything as threat, sherlock
CaptHayfever2025-10-01 23:42
> This is literally first post here on such topic
It isn't. This topic has been coming up for months.
Effective-Fondant-162025-10-01 15:41
Other than F1, all of them are based on huge preexisting IP. Wonder if original movies are having a good year or not.
Edit: didn’t know even F1 was preexisting IP. TIL.
Caciulacdlac2025-10-01 16:04
No original/non-franchise movie became a blockbuster for years with the exception of Nolan movies
Even F1 is based on a pre-existing thing with a lot of fans.
MrDoom4e52025-10-02 14:36
At this point, Nolan movies are their own franchise.
Adorable_Ad_34782025-10-01 17:12
Sinners is the only non-IP film to make a lot of money this year. F1 is an IP.
harryatomix2025-10-02 14:12
Bro really thought F1 is not an IP.
The_Orgin2025-10-02 14:15
Since when is F1 not an IP?
frogskin922025-10-02 14:46
you didn’t know F1 was an existing thing? Really?
Effective-Fondant-162025-10-02 14:55
I meant it in a sense that I didn’t know it was adapted from preexisting work. All the others were sequels or adaptation from books/comics. My bad, I worded that poorly.
esar242025-10-02 15:15
I guess nostalgia did sell
Connect_Snow24412025-10-04 14:43
Yep modern audiences do not go to movies for art all they want is to see their favorite characters come on big screen and then they get entertained simple as that.
p_yth2025-10-02 16:53
Was about to comment F1 is at least not preexisting until I saw your comment lol
lambopanda2025-10-01 20:23
Avatar 3 is releasing at the end of December. It won’t have enough time to make it to the top 10. Zootopia 2 has about a month. Is that enough time to beat F4?
deschain_191952025-10-01 20:36
Wicked 2 is also coming out first one made $756 million.
Prestigious_Half_3292025-10-01 21:01
Don't you know that all earnings, whether earned in 2025 or later, will be considered for 2025, provided that its theatrical run starts in 2025
lambopanda2025-10-01 21:08
I assume you mean for 2025 only. If later also count. I’m sure they will rerelease Avatar 3. Its number will be even more in the future.
SeekerVash2025-10-02 02:53
December 19th. It'll take the 10th slot by the end of the first week with ease. It should take the 4th or 5th slot by December 31st.
runtimemess2025-10-01 20:25
I legitimately do not believe there is much interest from the General Public for an Avatar movie.
RubberbandShooter2025-10-01 20:31
People said the exact same before Way of Water and were readily proven wrong.
runtimemess2025-10-01 20:34
I forgot that even came out. I was thinking about how poorly that recent video game sold.
deschain_191952025-10-01 20:40
Top 3 movies all time
Avatar -2009
Avengers endgame -2019
Avatar way of the water - 2022
It's going to make at least a billion
SeekerVash2025-10-02 02:52
It's going to make a billion in China alone. They love Avatar.
Solonaveen2025-10-01 20:30
Yes it will end up in 6th place after avatar and zootopia taking 1st n 2nd place
After beating these two in top, but Jurassic is hard unless chinese does some magic ✨ in theaters again i hope 🤞
Grayx_28872025-10-02 06:34
Wait, Zootopia 2 is coming out this year?! I thought it was next year.
Captain-Wilco2025-10-02 14:13
Which is nuts, considering this is the MCU’s best year (in terms of quality and effort put into films), in a long while.
But either way, it’s long past due for Marvel to take a backseat.
cowpool202025-10-02 14:19
Not really "nuts".
Captain America 4 was always gonna underwhelm, a lot of people still aren't on board with Sam as Cap.
Thunderbolts was a grittier movie with a bunch of heroes general audiences don't know, also heroes without any exciting powers. Atleast with Guardians of the Galaxy, it was visually appealing to general audiences to make them want to go watch.
Fantastic Four did surprise me with it making less than expected. I wasn't expecting it to make a billion, but I thought it would have done better than it did. I guess F4 isn't as popular as I thought.
Captain-Wilco2025-10-02 14:22
Ah, I did forget about Cap 4
brianstormIRL2025-10-02 15:03
Don't think its necessary Sam as Cap people have an issue with moreso than Sam in general. Most people I know just think hes "meh" and doesn't have the gravitas to be the main character. Not even Anthony's fault, the character is just boring.
FirstProspect2025-10-02 15:14
Agreed, I don't think Anthony Mackie has had the chance to make the role interesting the way Chris Evans did. F&TWS set up some great personal & emotional struggles to ground Sam the way Steve Rogers was grounded by Peggy and his time with her. Sam's family ties were then completely tossed aside in BNW.
He's had some good-to-great action sequences, but Mackie's Cap has suffered from some less than stellar status-quo moralizing and getting swept up in stories that simply don't revolve around him, or when they do, it's a tease about what it means to be a black man and be Captain America and the chance to redeem Bradley's legacy... and it all gets thrown to the ground for a Hulk-fest.
Deeply frustrating place to be as someone who wants to see Mackie succeed as Sam and a successor to Evans' Rogers.
brettcb2025-10-02 16:06
I like Anthony Mackie, liked him as falcon, don't like him as captain america and I find John Walker boring as hell, so I'm extremely disinterested in everything captain america at the moment.
Sonic101222025-10-02 16:23
I find pretty much every attempt to make a “successor” with the same superhero name boring for some reason. Miles Morales Spider-Man is really the only one that works for me and that think that’s just a merit of how great of a character Miles usually is.
I still find it hilarious in media where him and Peter are operating at the same time (like Insomniac’s Spider-Man games) they can’t figure out how to smoothly refer to each other.
The810kid2025-10-02 18:59
Wally West disrespect
Broccoli--Enthusiast2025-10-02 22:12
Yeah I think miles works because he isn't "picking up the mantle" he's usually operating alongside Peter, at least initially in most of his origins, and always ends up back working with a version of Peter
He's also got his own power set .
It helps that in univese, the general reaction is publicly is "oh there are two of them now? Well shit"
InternationalCow33382025-10-02 15:40
It’s more than that, the first Cap movie was OG MCU so interest was at its peak…then they quickly learned they need to stuff a lot of co-stars in these movies to kept them entertaining and maximize on the MCU brand…Winter Soldier had tons of co-stars…Civil War even more…then BNU has basically zero…new cap, new Falcon…and new old school Cap…they broke their own formula…they needed to have established characters in BNU to solidify Sam as Cap and his new place in the MCU.
Also, it’s not that Sam is boring or interesting…he’s the straight man…need to have crazy characters around him for him to react to…think Lethal Weapon Riggs and Mertaugh - Riggs is the crazy one and Mertaugh is the straight man…
One or two co-stars would have helped this a bit and if they do a sequel they need to know this is what we expect going forward
Ragnarok_6192025-10-02 16:41
This is just straight up bull dingus. First Avenger was received just okay by the audiences of that time. Not great, not bad, just there. He was also the weakest member of the avengers 1 in terms of writing. Until Winter Soldier happened. That wrote Cap like a competent badass, and that followed till Endgame.
And that's the difference between Evans and Mackie. One had good writing and exude charisma, while other got a mediocre show and is a charisma vacuum
electrorazor2025-10-02 19:59
I rlly don't it's Sam at all. Ppl generally liked him as cap from the movie.
It was just not a good movie and came out at a time when Marvel brand is in the gutter
tmssmt2025-10-03 04:57
I find Mackie off putting in interviews, and his lack of charisma isn't limited to this role
greatreference2025-10-02 15:11
Idk the general audience prob thinks the FF4 suck because the movies have sucked and they don’t read comics so wouldn’t be aware of stuff like Hickmans run
SpiffySpacemanSpiff2025-10-02 15:38
I liked it, in terms of visuals, but man oh man did that film feel rushed.
greatreference2025-10-02 19:25
I really liked the new one too I’m saying general audiences prob just don’t care about the F4 after the other movies being such shit
applefellonedison2025-10-02 15:29
I do like Sam but he should have taken the serum. It’s the ethics I get it. But I don’t see or believe him fighting an alien or a hulk without the serum. You just can’t unless you wear iron suit. People are looking for Chris Evan’s cap in him and he just dosent have the serum
randomusername84722025-10-02 15:33
Fantastic 4 was the best marvel film I've seen in a long time but honestly it felt like it's a few years late.
Almost every other Marvel film I've seen has been "meh" to me (a casual marvel fan but happy movie-goer). I only went to see Thunderbolts because a friend REALLY wanted to see it. I went in with low expecations and I was pleasantly surprised though it still felt like an outsider to a world I didn't really know any more.
Fantastic Four was in a new universe, no homework required and IMO set it up nicely.
Everything else I'd seen recently felt like it was written for people who knew a lot more about the world than I did, and I was just coming in at, like Season 10 of long running show, having left off at Season 2.
abellapa2025-10-02 15:40
F4 are a b team
For a origin movie did great
And did almost 200M more than the previous highest grossing F4 movie
smbdysm12025-10-02 16:02
A couple bombs of the IP certainly doesn't help
reldnahcAL2025-10-02 18:42
F4 is popular with nerds who know them and old men who read the comic books when they were young.
John Everyman only knows them from the three shitty movies they had before this one.
MoirasPurpleOrb2025-10-03 02:25
“Fantastic 4? That movie they’ve re-launched three times now because the last two sucked? Why would I go see that?”
The general audience’s thought process.
LeopardComfortable992025-10-02 15:05
Not really nuts. The company's spent a good few years killing any good will the fans had in the franchise. They have to win back that dedication.
THEbaddestOFtheASSES2025-10-02 16:23
Yeah killing interest is very easy. Gaining it back is hard. 2025 has been a good first step. Let’s see if they can continue the good will momentum.
Ragnarok_6192025-10-02 16:26
People really overestimate the critical value of Thunderbolts and Fantastic Four. While they were certainly better than most of phase 4 and 5 movies, the bar isn't that high in the first place, and once the recency bias wore off, people rightfully reevaluated both of these to be just passable, but with horrible pacing issues. Thunderbolts, which People here clamoured would dominate streaming, flopped hard in it too.
The less said about Brave New World, the better.
Tundraspin2025-10-02 14:37
How was the jurassic park movie so bad. I got duped. It's like the aliens movies stopped storyline and just make stupid jump scare memes now.
Jagermonsta2025-10-02 14:48
Such a weird top 10. Lilo & stitch the only $1bil Hollywood release so far. Ne Zha 2 has everyone in China showing up. Avatar could end up #2. I think Superman gets bumped out of the top 10 as well with Wicked For Good also coming out.
LooseSeal882025-10-02 15:34
Yeah, OP forgot about Wicked.
DuncanRG20022025-10-02 18:43
Can’t wait for avatar to make another inexplicable 2 billion despite being utterly forgettable
RogueNebula0422025-10-02 19:01
Can't wait for redditors to make another 2 billion threads asking "does anyone actually care about avatar" despite its obvious popularity
BLAGTIER2025-10-03 00:02
Before the release of Avatar 2: "Avatar has no cultural impact."
Reality: Avatar 2 causally makes 2 billion.
daddylongstroke172025-10-03 04:23
And then nobody mentioned or thought about it again for 3 years.
CardiologistMain72372025-10-03 01:43
I get the feeling that everybody kinda likes Avatar, but no one really loves it.
I have never met a hardcore Avatar fan, series with not even 1/10th of the box office have really intense, really dedicated fanbases. Not Avatar.
Avatar truly coasts along as being one of those movies everyone sees for the spectacle and because they are really pretty, but it's not a franchise with fans per se.
It's the very definition of mid, but with such a well done execution that the average moviegoer just can't resist it, even if they don't engage with the IP in any other meaningful way.
It's both impressive and weird how James Cameron basically hacked the box office with it
EternalMage3212025-10-03 02:43
I never thought about it that way, but you're right. Marvel and Star Wars have these insane fanbases and are constantly talked about, but Avatar doesn't really have that. Yet somehow it makes BANK by having broad crowd appeal.
Zerodot02025-10-03 04:24
I think that's the key. I like the Avatar movies, but I don't think I would go out of my way to consume supplementary material like comics or figurines. It's not like Star Wars, where I want to see everything I can get my hands on.
captainnermy2025-10-03 21:07
Yeah, I'm sure there must be some super dedicated Avatar fans out there somewhere, but in my experience if someone is talking passionately about Avatar it's virtually always The Last Airbender, not the blue people. Everyone sees them but I've never heard of Avatar fanfiction, Avatar cosplay, Avatar collectables. I like the movies but they're too simple and straightforward to really stick in my memory. People see them because they're cool experiences, but there's so little to latch onto or dig deeper into. Maybe that will change as the movies come out more consistently and maybe the writing develops, but it's got to have one of the craziest profit to cultural impact ratios ever. Even talking about how it has no cultural impact is a meme, but it remains true imo.
call_me_Kote2025-10-02 20:05
My wife looked at me yesterday when a fire and ash commercial was on, and was like we never saw way of water.
Had to remind her we actually saw it in imax.
matchafoxjpg2025-10-02 20:10
the theatre near me is doing a rescreening of way of water and when i was looking at what movies are coming soon i was like "oh wow the new avatar comes out in a week? didn't even know", and then i realized that was the previous one, which i did in fact see. 🤣
CaptHayfever2025-10-02 22:48
My wife & I watched Way of Water a few months ago & fast-forwarded through about 45 minutes of the middle because we got so bored. Felt like we hadn't missed a thing afterwards.
rakuan12025-10-03 14:48
I feel like a lot of it is nostalgia. The first Avatar being such a marvel (pun kind of intended) of the latest technology (at that time), I think people have good memories that they want to relive with the characters they remember. I think nobody talks about it because James Cameron and friends aren’t constantly flooding the market with new content like somebody (<cough> <cough> looking at you Disney)
NightFury05952025-10-02 15:29
As it should be. Years of releasing slops, constantly blaming its audience, then finally getting to the tracks with F4 and Thunderbolts, it’s going to take some time.
burywmore2025-10-02 15:38
The first year? Ever?
ZedTheEvilTaco2025-10-02 15:46
Ya. Surprised the hell out of Moses when "Captain Hebrew: Reckoning of God" under performed that year.
Prestigious_Half_3292025-10-02 15:55
My apologies, first year since 2011 (when Cap 1 and Thor 1 were released)
ChickenWingBW2025-10-02 17:18
And 2020, where we didn’t have a marvel movie, right?
Prestigious_Half_3292025-10-02 21:19
That's because no MCU movie was released that year
CaptHayfever2025-10-02 23:00
No MCU movies, but New Mutants came out.
ChickenWingBW2025-10-02 23:35
Oh, I misread your phrasing in the title
abellapa2025-10-02 15:38
There none MCU movies in the top 10 in 2011
NaiRad10002025-10-02 15:40
Side note: It’s wild how well well the Lilo & Stitch and How to Train Your Dragon remakes did. Here your answer to why Stduios keep making them 😅
vindicare12025-10-02 18:41
Imo it's really not that surprising. There is a noticeable lack of kids' movies lately so when these live action remakes come out it's either that, a paw patrol movie(or something in this age demo), or a superhero movie.
The latter being too much for younger kids and the middle being too kidsy for the 9-12 year olds.
matchafoxjpg2025-10-02 20:14
lilo & stitch did well because of kids and nostalgia, that's all. a lot of people saw it right at release, so there was no way for them to find out it was an utter disgrace. and you can't just tell a kid "not its shit we're not gonna see it", so even if it is shit they're gonna beg and plead to see it.
my best friend is absolutely obsessed with stitch so she saw it opening night, and thanks to that i didn't waste my money seeing it in theatres. 🤣
i definitely did see it, just not in theatres.
and not sure why HTTYD is included in this, because the live action adaptation was amazing AND spot on. lilo & stitch should have been anywhere half as faithful to the the material as it was.
redditerator72025-10-03 23:09
If it were that bad the WOM would’ve spread quickly. Just look at Batman v Superman which had a massive opening but then barely made 2x of the opening weekend.
BluFaerie2025-10-02 15:47
How the hell did Jurassic World get higher box office than Superman? Everyone hated that movie.
Ragnarok_6192025-10-02 17:20
Daily reminder that online discourse is vastly different from Real life. If you believe reddit, then Thunderbolts became the first movie to gross $3 billion, got raging reviews, is a top 5 movie of all time, stopped all ongoing wars and cured cancer.
BluFaerie2025-10-02 19:10
Yeah. I liked Thunderbolts but felt it still had some issues so I don't necessarily agree with the online reviews.
coaldiamond12025-10-02 17:21
It did huge numbers internationally. All of the Jurassic World movies do. It's below Superman in the States
Hulkbuster_v22025-10-02 18:12
You'd be surprised. In the JP subreddit, most gave the film 3 or 4 stars, and the dinosaur subreddit felt similar. And I don't know how much weight they hold, but many YouTubers popular in the JP community gave Rebirth better reviews than the last two movies. I think most people have it 4th in their rankings of the films.
matchafoxjpg2025-10-02 20:17
i mean how do you think someone came to the conclusion that they hated it?
i saw it in theatres. it was okay i guess. better the JW2 or 3, but definitely not better than JW1 or any of the JP. maybe possibly on par with JP3?
BLAGTIER2025-10-03 00:05
> How the hell did Jurassic World get higher box office than Superman?
People like dinosaurs. And there is one franchise that does them well, in terms of appearance on screen.
disneylegospider12025-10-02 16:17
I mean, Ne Zha 2, Superman, and maybe F1 are the only surprises on this list. Everything else that beat out the MCU this year isn’t unexpected.
Notoriously_So2025-10-02 16:28
MillyMan1052025-10-02 16:32
If you don't count the pandemic the last year with a top 10 without a MCU film was 2011 which is quite astonishing.
If we're being honest this is a result of Disney/Warner/Sony releasing so many low quality CBM's after endgame. Superhero movies use to feel like a must see event, due to over saturation they just feel mundane.
Speaking of Marvel I'm honestly not surprised none of the movies made it into the top 10 this year.
Brave new world was completely boring & uninteresting.
Thunderbolts was enjoyable but lacked star power whilst being slow & directionless.
I liked F4 but I understand why it didn't capture the general audience with the severe lack of action and predictability which results in it having no replay value
I enjoyed Demon Slayer a lot more than these 3 movies, if Marvel want to go back on form they need to remember what made the MCU amazing it was the entertaining fights and writing.
Raj_Valiant30112025-10-02 16:43
A tough year for the financial chart.
Jecht3152025-10-02 17:04
This year has been pretty weak for movies.
IamBlade2025-10-02 17:49
What is needed zha 2
AvatarIII2025-10-02 17:57
Til that Mission Impossible made more than any of the MCU movies this year!
Mega_Nidoking2025-10-02 18:29
This reminds me I need to see F1
Gilded-Mongoose2025-10-02 18:46
Pretty fair call.
musthavecupcakes_192025-10-02 18:59
Wicked: For Good will also make more than F4
usmannaeem2025-10-02 19:04
Its a smart move for Disney franchise, IP and transmedia storytelling, toys etc. Both Avatar and Zootopia are Disney IP.
electrorazor2025-10-02 20:01
Still have no idea how lilo and stitch outgrossed minecraft
AxWieldingHippy2025-10-02 20:47
It feels like they've lost touch, the infinity saga had vision, it had incredible story arks spanning most of the movies.. the latest ones just seem to lack any cohesive vision 🤷♂️
FisknChips2025-10-02 21:38
First year ever? Crazy indeed /s
Broccoli--Enthusiast2025-10-02 22:04
Oof Jurassic world should not.
.be on there, I only saw that because I had 3 hours to kill and I needed to go to the shopping centre anyway
It was definitely a movie that released in 2025
LightningLad20292025-10-03 03:10
With Wicked coming out too, this will definitely be the first year in a long time that no superhero movie will make the top 10 by the end of the year.
MarvelMind2025-10-03 04:08
Not a big deal. Avengers and Spider-Man next year.
danielsdesk2025-10-03 09:07
Can’t fucking believe Jurassic World Rebirth is #4. It’s so bad, and that’s after a couple of bad ones, it’s like no one learned the lesson
HeadScissorGang2025-10-03 18:03
There's a Spiderman movie and an Avengers movie next year.
They're gonna make up for it.
Nick80152025-10-03 23:14
The post is still going to be true because of avatar 3, but I could honestly see zootopia 2 doing under 521 million.
Im_FunnyWasTaken2025-10-04 18:44
🤓☝Ermmmmm... actually.... you're forgetting 113 years of movie history without the mcu
Im_FunnyWasTaken2025-10-04 18:51
I'm suprised Kpop Demon Hunters and Thunderbolts aren't on here, and that the Minecraft Movie is on there. To clarify before anyone gets mad at me, I did like the Minecraft movie, I just didn't expect it would go far.
Unlikely_Message_9152025-10-05 14:11
Entertainment from USA has been getting worse and worse in recent years. Struggle every day to find something new and good to watch. 80% is just horrible garbage
ATXDefenseAttorney2025-10-05 23:49
But 3 Disney franchis movies will still be in the Top 10. So... hmm?
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Well if you look at the image, it clearly doesn't.
As for shady, it is my right to privacy to reveal how much I want
Interesting phrasing.
It isn't. This topic has been coming up for months.
Edit: didn’t know even F1 was preexisting IP. TIL.
Even F1 is based on a pre-existing thing with a lot of fans.
Avatar -2009
Avengers endgame -2019
Avatar way of the water - 2022
It's going to make at least a billion
After beating these two in top, but Jurassic is hard unless chinese does some magic ✨ in theaters again i hope 🤞
But either way, it’s long past due for Marvel to take a backseat.
Captain America 4 was always gonna underwhelm, a lot of people still aren't on board with Sam as Cap.
Thunderbolts was a grittier movie with a bunch of heroes general audiences don't know, also heroes without any exciting powers. Atleast with Guardians of the Galaxy, it was visually appealing to general audiences to make them want to go watch.
Fantastic Four did surprise me with it making less than expected. I wasn't expecting it to make a billion, but I thought it would have done better than it did. I guess F4 isn't as popular as I thought.
He's had some good-to-great action sequences, but Mackie's Cap has suffered from some less than stellar status-quo moralizing and getting swept up in stories that simply don't revolve around him, or when they do, it's a tease about what it means to be a black man and be Captain America and the chance to redeem Bradley's legacy... and it all gets thrown to the ground for a Hulk-fest.
Deeply frustrating place to be as someone who wants to see Mackie succeed as Sam and a successor to Evans' Rogers.
I still find it hilarious in media where him and Peter are operating at the same time (like Insomniac’s Spider-Man games) they can’t figure out how to smoothly refer to each other.
He's also got his own power set .
It helps that in univese, the general reaction is publicly is "oh there are two of them now? Well shit"
Also, it’s not that Sam is boring or interesting…he’s the straight man…need to have crazy characters around him for him to react to…think Lethal Weapon Riggs and Mertaugh - Riggs is the crazy one and Mertaugh is the straight man…
One or two co-stars would have helped this a bit and if they do a sequel they need to know this is what we expect going forward
And that's the difference between Evans and Mackie. One had good writing and exude charisma, while other got a mediocre show and is a charisma vacuum
It was just not a good movie and came out at a time when Marvel brand is in the gutter
Almost every other Marvel film I've seen has been "meh" to me (a casual marvel fan but happy movie-goer). I only went to see Thunderbolts because a friend REALLY wanted to see it. I went in with low expecations and I was pleasantly surprised though it still felt like an outsider to a world I didn't really know any more.
Fantastic Four was in a new universe, no homework required and IMO set it up nicely.
Everything else I'd seen recently felt like it was written for people who knew a lot more about the world than I did, and I was just coming in at, like Season 10 of long running show, having left off at Season 2.
For a origin movie did great
And did almost 200M more than the previous highest grossing F4 movie
John Everyman only knows them from the three shitty movies they had before this one.
The general audience’s thought process.
The less said about Brave New World, the better.
Reality: Avatar 2 causally makes 2 billion.
I have never met a hardcore Avatar fan, series with not even 1/10th of the box office have really intense, really dedicated fanbases. Not Avatar.
Avatar truly coasts along as being one of those movies everyone sees for the spectacle and because they are really pretty, but it's not a franchise with fans per se.
It's the very definition of mid, but with such a well done execution that the average moviegoer just can't resist it, even if they don't engage with the IP in any other meaningful way.
It's both impressive and weird how James Cameron basically hacked the box office with it
Had to remind her we actually saw it in imax.
The latter being too much for younger kids and the middle being too kidsy for the 9-12 year olds.
my best friend is absolutely obsessed with stitch so she saw it opening night, and thanks to that i didn't waste my money seeing it in theatres. 🤣
i definitely did see it, just not in theatres.
and not sure why HTTYD is included in this, because the live action adaptation was amazing AND spot on. lilo & stitch should have been anywhere half as faithful to the the material as it was.
i saw it in theatres. it was okay i guess. better the JW2 or 3, but definitely not better than JW1 or any of the JP. maybe possibly on par with JP3?
People like dinosaurs. And there is one franchise that does them well, in terms of appearance on screen.
If we're being honest this is a result of Disney/Warner/Sony releasing so many low quality CBM's after endgame. Superhero movies use to feel like a must see event, due to over saturation they just feel mundane.
Speaking of Marvel I'm honestly not surprised none of the movies made it into the top 10 this year.
Brave new world was completely boring & uninteresting.
Thunderbolts was enjoyable but lacked star power whilst being slow & directionless.
I liked F4 but I understand why it didn't capture the general audience with the severe lack of action and predictability which results in it having no replay value
I enjoyed Demon Slayer a lot more than these 3 movies, if Marvel want to go back on form they need to remember what made the MCU amazing it was the entertaining fights and writing.
.be on there, I only saw that because I had 3 hours to kill and I needed to go to the shopping centre anyway
It was definitely a movie that released in 2025
They're gonna make up for it.